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A Response to Odum’s When Traditional Media Define the Left and the “Ultra-Left”

by: wdh3

Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 14:42:01 PM EST


For starters, I believe Odum does a great job of picking up immediately on the most interesting, noteworthy and objectionable elements from Darren Allen's piece.  There is no doubt that the continual rightward stretch of the spectrum of political discourse in this country is horrific at best.  From comparing the Swift Boat Veterans to MoveOn and labeling Clinton as "liberal" Odum is right on the mark about the audacious re-defining of political terms that the media enables and endorses, if it doesn't outright produce.

And, whereas I would disagree that most of the media is actually politically left (as we shall see bellow), I do agree entirely that most of them are relatively liberal, which Odum seems right in his conclusions on, including how it creates for a very curious and complicated political-media environment.

But towards those same ends, lets take a look at where this piece starts to look like it's replicating Allen's tactics rather than taking a stance against such things:

wdh3 :: A Response to Odum’s When Traditional Media Define the Left and the “Ultra-Left”
For starters, I believe Odum does a great job of picking up immediately on the most interesting, noteworthy and objectionable elements from Darren Allen's piece.  There is no doubt that the continual rightward stretch of the spectrum of political discourse in this country is horrific at best.  From comparing the Swift Boat Veterans to MoveOn and labeling Clinton as "liberal" Odum is right on the mark about the audacious re-defining of political terms that the media enables and endorses, if it doesn't outright produce.

And, whereas I would disagree that most of the media is actually politically left (as we shall see bellow), I do agree entirely that most of them are relatively liberal, which Odum seems right in his conclusions on, including how it creates for a very curious and complicated political-media environment.

But towards those same ends, lets take a look at where this piece starts to look like it's replicating Allen's tactics rather than taking a stance against such things:

In the very beginning, it's pointed out that "'ultra-left' is clearly beyond simply `left'" which is true enough, except that neither is actually defined.  While some things can easily be assumed to be (near) universally understood by the reader, these terms don't seem to lend themselves to that trait- especially given that this confusion of what "left" entails is essentially the premise of Odum's article.  In other words, I know my grandfather considers unemployment checks from the government a "crazy scheme of the left" whereas I do not consider any action taken by a capitalist State to be outside of the far right, other than what is occasionally leaning towards the left.  A French journalist recently covering Bernie Sander's election to the Senate said something to the effect of "in France, his politics would be considered very mainstream; certainly not on the right but by no means on the far left" (I'm sorry that my internet search skills keep me from actually finding a direct quote or a link; I assume anyone who doubts me will be quick to fact check on their own).  Where Odum's piece really confuses me is where he really seems to agree with the self-serving statements that brush aside those whom this piece finds politically distasteful, i.e., "radicals" who are "not to be trusted and have little or nothing to do with everyday political dialogue."  It would seem that the actuality of this "left" that we're talking about is being defined in the same manner by both Allen and Odum, with only the slightest of differences.  Perhaps both should take a quick trip to Europe, where they might get a slightly broader understanding of "left" that is far more international and historical in scope than anything spoken in either the traditional U.S. media or this website.

I take part in this forum precisely because I have a very real interest in the everyday political dialogue of Vermont, and I assure you, I fall in your (and many other's) definition of "ultra-left"; so much so that there are those that call my views "post-left" (so far left I'm right! ;-}).

And while I know that Odum was only listing examples that came from a google search, I do have to point out that "Marxism" and "anarchism" could, with little debate, find themselves being called "far-left".  However, for those few who actually study the politic that carries that dubious distinction, Lenin is about as deserving of the title as Clinton.  Lenin orchestrated horrific slaughters of literally millions of people, often by wretched means such as cutting off the food supply to vast regions where he had little support, which hardly seems populist and "left" to me.  Regardless of the incredibly successful efforts by both capitalist and Marxist interests to paint the Soviet Union as such, neither Lenin, nor the Soviet Union, came anywhere near being a communist state for the Russians.  Lenin and the USSR were unquestionably nothing more than a State-run capitalist dictatorship, as with North Korea, China, and Cuba today.

Perhaps these points could be ignored by Odum's search for the "real spectrum of American discourse"- it's irrelevant what France calls left or right, only the major pockets of political opinion here, non?  But how could this be? The whole point of the piece is that Odum objects to the narrowing definitions of the political spectrum.  If so, then aren't we better served with the broadest of spectrums, so that every idea for how best to interact as a social species can be discussed and debated based on merit?  Should we demand the spectrum be broadened so as to place our own opinions somewhere other than on the undesirable fringes, but use those same fringes as proof itself that those we disagree with are wrong, in fact "crazy"?

Which isn't meant to be some sort of proof that I'm not crazy, but there's no way to deduce from that that my ideas are as well.

And while Odum seems to champion some sort of idea of "progressive" values, I wonder if he recognizes the history of such demands.  There was, after all, an incredibly fruitful and successful Progressive Era in this country several generations ago.  Back then, when they fought for such crazy ideas as public education for every child, child labor laws, health care, decent wages, a minimum wage, worker's comp, safety standards on the job, etc, guess who were the social heroes, the leaders who played no small part in helping to organize the working class so that we were capable of accomplishing such victories? Those "radical, crazy, not to be trusted and have little or nothing to do with everyday political dialogue" "ultra-leftists" such as Emma Goldman, "Big Bill" Haywood, and Mother Jones.  A visit to Karen and her husband (who's name I always forget) at the Aldrich Library in Barre will also provide some great stories about the not-so-small part that Vermonter's, particularly those from Barre, played during the Progressive Era.  The "conservatives" of those progressive movements were often "merely" Marxists, to say nothing of the anarchists and communists, who despite not being worth our trust, managed to get child slavery, I mean labor, outlawed and established the 40 hour work week.  In fact, with the 40 hour work week increasingly abused by our present-day economic realities, perhaps we should start bringing some of those untrustable, "outside-the-acceptable-range-of-debate" ultra-leftists back into the conversation so that we can re-establish our human right to not labor-away our lives with no time to enjoy the fruits of our toils. 

Finally, my least favorite liberal myth, that of the "objective" media.  There never has and never will be such a thing, and thankfully so.  We're probably all aware of the continual consolidation of the media, but lets not forget that this consolidation began long before Bush or even Nixon.  A hundred years ago there were often dozens of different newspapers in any given city; New York City alone had something like 30 at one point.  And each and every one was very clear about the politic that it espoused and the political slant of the reporting that was being done.  In this, a very broad spectrum was covered and you consumed the media knowing what the angle was, free to pick and choose as you saw fit.  It is a rare and in fact very sterile story that reads entirely factual, like a lab report, with no human inference.  And yes, sometimes a story is objective and better for it, but seldom in political matters.  Hunter S. Thompson would remind us that the journalist is in fact a character in the story he or she is reporting, and therefore the only honest thing to do would be to let that be known explicitly to the reader.  I have countless friends who may scoff at my continual consumption of sometimes dubious media (from Fox News, CNN, NPR, NY Times, that really obnoxious True North Radio on WDEV that makes me NUTS but for some reason I listen to almost every day, the Burlington Free Press, etc) but I have a very good understanding of where each of them are coming from, who their target is, and what their agenda may or may not be, so I can understand so much more than if I were to simply accept that some (or all) of these media sources were reporting in an objective, "fair and balanced" way.  The same holds true for when I listen to Democracy Now! or read the magazine Northeastern Anarchist; I understand that these media are providing me with an opinion that is shaped by their politic, and I can take what I may from them because I know and understand their slant, not because they're promising me that they are objective and neutral, like the form my doctor fills out when I get a check-up.

One last note, which is that, OK, this diary clearly cements me as the token "ultra-left" pinko-commie on this site.  I'm fine with that.  I am here because I find the opinions and stories interesting, informative, and valuable.  I do not mean to be attacking Odum as a person here in this diary and I hope no one takes it as such; I don't even know Odum, but from what he posts on GMD I know that I sometimes agree and sometimes don't, BUT, and more importantly, Odum is clearly a thoughtful, well-meaning, rational person, which seems to me far more important than political agreement.  Cheers.

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Great historical context here. And, yes, you're our resident commie bastard, as I like to remind you when I see you in person.

A few things, there have been numerous studies that have shown that on a personal level, journalists by and large tend to be more liberal. But it hardly reflects how the media presents itself. Although I hate using these terms, at its best our media could be described as center right.

Another noteworthy thing you mention is how you get flak by some for consuming the bullshit corporate media. I think it is essential to do so, if nothing else to get a grip on what kind of crap the American people are getting fed on a daily basis. A media diet consisting of nothing but Democracy Now and WGDR programs is about as wholesome as watching nothing but FOX news; it's living in a bubble, which sadly, I think many of the anarchist-socialist 'kewl kids' do, as I've lamented many times before. In addition to their refusal to participate in the system at any level, it's just another thing that pushes them to the margins of relevancy (epitomized by that Mexico protest in Montpelier a few weeks back - boy, that accomplished a lot). I don't think that people have necesarily excluded them from the conversation as you imply, they've done a fine job of excluding themselves.

And it all sums up to this point here that actually came about with a conversation with, of all people, Charity over at She's Right: we could probably accomplish a lot more (regardless of where we lie on the political spectrum) if we talked more about our beliefs in terms of practicality instead of ideology. I get that nagging at me a lot in our private conversations (wdh3), especially when it comes to the anarchism thing. With all the things I hear about the way things are or should be, I hear very little practical real-world stuff coming from that side of the fence. It makes it hard to support. The great Capitalist machine, for better or worse, is not about to come crashing down any time soon. So what do you propose we do in the meantime? (note to readers: wdh3 and I are really good longtime friends, don't worry about a war!).

I'd have to say I'm only a bit to the right, or perhaps parallel in a different political universe than wdh3. That said, as I've put it before, I've only voted for Dems out of necessity, I feel a lot of what they're doing is a part of the problem, not the solution. And there is a really big tent here at GMD, dissent is tolerated and encouraged, unlike those on the other end of the spectrum, you pinko! There's a big difference between attacking an idea and attacking a person. Great diary.

One mo' thing, a helpful tip... when you post to your diary, you put the first paragraph or two in that first box, the rest in the second (if you look at your diary, you have your intro repeated). Now when we gonna fix up your garage?

You can read JD's latest at five before chaos. Politics. Godlessness. Music. Films of questionable quality. It's all there, folks.


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In terms of practicality that is informed by and consistent with my beliefs, I wrote the above diary to communicate my hope, and arguing for the idea, that reversing the rightward trend in the dialogue of our political spectrum should be a broadening, historisizing, and internationalizing of our concepts of what the political spectrum actually encompasses.  Of course, it could (and has) been argued both ways whether or not openly engaging the public while using the @ word is practical or productive (since it is such a jarring term that is understood by so few), and I choose often times to use it.  Sometimes this is useful and other times not.

The "practical real-world stuff" from this side of the fence are actions and beliefs informed not from an ideology per se, but from a philosophical and political set of moral beliefs that dictate a certain standard of actions and ideas.  Our actions should inform our ideas and our ideas should inform our actions.  To that extent, I vote.  The vast majority who hold political views similar to mine choose not to, and can justify that choice with their beliefs; I happen to draw a different conclusion.  You use the example of the action in solidarity with the events of Oaxaca, Mexico.  No, that does not have much, if any, immediate benefit for me or for the people in Mexico.  BUT it is consistent with the opinion (philosophical, political, or moral, whatever you want to call it) that we should be internationalists, not nationalists, in our demands for justice and freedom for all peoples (an opinion that I hold).  The very little bit that it did accomplish was a small-scale effort to educate the local public of the repression and injustice that is happening, as well as to act in solidarity -to show compassion and understanding- to the people experiencing those hardships.  Weren't these same ideas (allegedly) why it was right for the U.S. to fight the nazi's?  If someone wrongs you, it is not my opinion that it's OK to say "well, they didn't wrong me, and hey, even if I express that it's not OK for you to be wronged, it's not REALLY going to make a difference anyway."  JD, I hope you know that if someone kicks the shit out of you, if I see that person at the bar the next night, I will express, in one way or the other, that it is not OK that they did so.

None of which is really to absolve myself from your comments/ criticisms.  I recognize my propensity to sometimes speak in terms far more abstract than practical; all I can really say other than that I need to work on that is that to me, arriving at the abstract principles that inform our political views is the best and most important way to then decide what practical steps to take to effect the outcome we find moral and Right.  Here we arrive at the issue of "bread and roses" (a battle cry from those radicals of the progressive era, who in the abstract were demanding roses, but in the short term were just looking to win the ability to affort bread).  I think I would be far more subject to some of your charges if I were purely an academic/ intellectual, but, while I may drift a bit more towards that side than I sometimes wish, I am also a doer- I often (very often) act in response to my ideas, which I think is incredibly important.

I really look forward to sitting down for a few beers with you and Odum.  As for the garage, anytime after NYE I'm ready.

"GMD's once proud libertarian-socialist"


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A great article about the state of the news media here .

You can read JD's latest at five before chaos. Politics. Godlessness. Music. Films of questionable quality. It's all there, folks.

I guess it'd be rude not to respond... (0.00 / 0)
...but it's late and I feel like crap. Maybe tomorrow, 'kay? Suffice to say that some of those inferences you took from my piece were not intentional implications on my part, but I can see why you made 'em. When JD and I finally have that long-delayed beer, you should join us.

Nullius perfectus est

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Feel better soon... I'm really interested in your reply.

You can read JD's latest at five before chaos. Politics. Godlessness. Music. Films of questionable quality. It's all there, folks.

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Okay... lemme see.

A few points:

1. "left" and "ultra-left" are not defined (by me) because they are not absolute terms. They are relative and quantum, hence their vulnerability to the kind of political spectrum-shifting I am grousing about. Case in point, your statement: "I do not consider any action taken by a capitalist State to be outside of the far right,"

I will say that these erms are a function of your vantage point. Your statement may be correct from the moon, looking down at the Earth, which is as valid a vantage point as any. This blog tends to stand inside the American political system/fray and uses that as it's vantage point. As such, left and right are relative to that vantage - and Allen's casting of LCV as "ultra-left" from his vantage point, also (ostensibly) from within the fray/system seems dramatically skewed in such a way that explicitly creates a political effect. In other words, left and right are functions of perception - and in politics perception becomes reality. Darren Allen used a pedestal to offer a skewed perception, and that perception (presented as it is from a reporter) has a reality-altering effect (especially cumulatively).

Okay, this post is already reading like a sci-fi story.

2. "post-left." heh. Maybe we need to break this out into three dimensions. politically. Left, right, up, down, deep, shallow.

3. I wasn't intending to dismiss Marxism and Anarchism (well, when we have that beer, you'll probably hear me gleefully dismiss Marxism, but that's another conversation), but I can see why I came across that way. My bad. What I was trying to do was make the point that Allen's terminology psychologically grouped MoreOn.org and the League of Conservation Voters with Marxism and Anarchism, and I think members of all those groups would argue that that's ridiculous. Again, the only people who attempt to make that connection are Republicans looking for rhetorical or propogandistic advantage.

4. Your general umbridge is taken because I cast Marxism and Anarchism outside the acceptable parameters of debate. Again, that wasn't my intention per se, but I'll grant you my wording did send that message. Again, not my intent. This blog's writers bob and weave in and around the current political system. If it's a bit "inside baseball," for some I understand. It's built that way. Very much engaged with the baseball game. To extend the analogy, I see active Marxists and Anarchists as generally choosing to play outside the baseball park. Maybe they're playing hockey next door. That's not to say their opinions aren't just as valid or meaningful.

In other words, it's not my intention to suggest the hockey players next door aren't welcome in the baseball park, or encouraged to stop by the bleachers and tell me what you think of the game - I only intended to acknowledge that they were indeed playing hockey "outside the ballpark" (and NOT with MoveOn and LCV). As far as I'm concerned, the ballpark doors are always open, and I'm even leaving cookies at the door if you want to come and go as you please.

Okay, it's moved from sci fi to a bad freshman writing piece that's drowning in mixed metaphors.... time to bail...

Nullius perfectus est


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Moreon.org?

You use baseball analogies much better than George Will does. This thread is a rather complex one; it's the quantum mechanics section of GMD.

I have a big problem with a lot of Marxism; namely, just like pure libertarianism, it goes against human nature. But we can save that for the beer.

You can read JD's latest at five before chaos. Politics. Godlessness. Music. Films of questionable quality. It's all there, folks.


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lets get together for that beer sooner than later, sounds like it's gonna be fun (at least, my kinda fun, which may be why most of my friends find me to be decidedly "un-fun")!

"GMD's once proud libertarian-socialist"

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