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It Just Got Worse: 3 nuke plants in process of meltdown & 4th has fire in spent fuel pool

by: Maggie Gundersen

Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 00:59:34 AM EDT


There is no way to say this easily.

"We cannot just go back to business as usual," [German Chancellor Angela] Merkel said, adding that events in Japan "teach us that risks that were thought to be completely impossible cannot in fact be completely ruled out".

Just when I thought it could not get any worse, it got worse.  

As you all know, one nuclear plant had the top blow off and began to leak radioactivity into the air (Unit 1, built in 1970).  Then a 2nd one it exploded yesterday (Sunday) (Unit 3 built in 1974)  Tonight we received word at 8 pm that Unit 2 exploded (built in 1972 - the same year as Vermont Yankee).  Each explosion has gotten worse, and the third explosion has severely damaged the containment building.  

By the way, the 2nd reactor to blow - Unit 3 is burning MOX fuel - mixed oxide fuel, which has plutonium added.  Did you know that plutonium is named after Pluto the god of hell?

Now Unit 4 has a fire in spent fuel pool caused by exposed fuel and burning hydrogen.  A burning fuel pool fire is worse than a meltdown because the uranium and plutonium vaporize.  

By the way, all 4 Japanese nuke plants in trouble are the same vintage, design, & model as Vermont Yankee, Oyster Creek (NJ)(Exelon owned), and Pilgrim (MA - just south of Boston) (another Entergy plant)

It is very, very late Monday night, no early Tuesday morning.  I am exhausted.  Yesterday (Sunday) we researched and prepped for several radio shows and NY Times, Washington Post, and WSJ.  This morning began with Chicago radio, where Illinois has 11 working nukes - 4 of its oldest units are like Fukushima. All the Illinois nukes are owned by Exelon, the corporation that was President Obama's biggest campaign donor.

Next Arnie interviewed w/ a Miami station. It always bothers us to do press in Florida, where we already did a nuclear case with a cancer cluster of 42 families exposed to illegal radioactivity from a nuclear power plant that was covered-up by the NRC.  

After those two radio shows Arnie was on Democracy Now & will be again on Tuesday morning @ 8:10 a.m.

 

Maggie Gundersen :: It Just Got Worse: 3 nuke plants in process of meltdown & 4th has fire in spent fuel pool
After Democracy Now, Arnie did an interview with Mark Johnson, VPR - John Dillion, Dave Gram at AP, and numerous other radio, TV, and print media.
[I'd love it if anyone posts those links in the comment section].

Arnie's interview here in the Global Postwas spot on regarding a reactor core melt and containment failure.


GlobalPost: The ultimate risk in any nuclear accident is that the heat can grow so intense that the steel containment vessel is ruptured, releasing a large amount of radiation. You say there's a 50-50 chance of this happening. What kind of health effects can we expect?

Gundersen: First, it's important to know that this steel containment is about an inch thick. It's not some massive battleship of steel. The reactor is already open, because the pressure relief valves have to stay open.

On top of that, these containments have already breached. We saw iodine and cesium in the environment before the first unit exploded. When you see that, that's clearly an indication that the containment has breached.

Now, is it leaking 1 percent a day? Probably. Is it leaking 100 percent a day? No. I think for the neighboring towns out to 2 miles, they won't have anybody back in them for five years. Out to 15 miles, I doubt you're going to see anyone back for six months. And that's in the best case, without a meltdown.

If we have a meltdown, I don't think anyone will be back within 20 miles for 10 or 15 years.


Throughout the the New York Times Arnie details some unique aspects of plant exposures.
Mr. Gundersen  ...  had one maintenance task where the "stay time," in which workers would be exposed to their yearly limit, was three minutes. He hired local farmers, trained them on a mock-up for two weeks, and then sent them in for their brief stint. "Then I'd send them home for a year," he said.

In Japan, the plant operators do not have the luxury of time for training. "You need somebody who is familiar with the plant, because you need somebody to do it now," Mr. Gundersen said.

Complete about face in Germany, where Chancellor Angela Merkel had overridden Germany's own study showing the health hazards of nuclear power due to daily radiation exposure to residents living around the plants.

In Germany, where tens of thousands of anti-nuclear activists protested in a human chain this weekend, Chancellor Angela Merkel announced a three-month moratorium on plans to extend the operation of its nuclear power plants.
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"We cannot just go back to business as usual," Merkel said, adding that events in Japan "teach us that risks that were thought to be completely impossible cannot in fact be completely ruled out".

Switzerland suspended plans to replace five aging nuclear power plants, while Italy and Poland decided to rethink prior decisions to invest in nuclear energy.

As an long time admirer of Bev Smith, I'd like to give my special thanks to her for discussing this topic live for two hours.

I will post again, but I don't know when.  Please help by posting from our interviews.  The nuclear industry is trying desperately to say that this could never happen in the US.  These are the same plants of the same vintage of old nukes here.  The management at TEPCO was indicted for fraud in 2002, and have been caught not doing what needs to be done - again and again!  Old nukes need need lots of money invested to keep them running safely, and that is simply not happening anywhere in the world.  Nor are regulators like the NRC enforcing what must be enforced.

Most of all, please pray for the people of Japan.  This is the worst tragedy the world has ever seen.

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Many thanks (0.00 / 0)
Info & insights are invaluable.

Found the VPR story (0.00 / 0)
podcast;
http://www.vpr.net/flash/audio...
Japan's Nuclear Crisis Prompts Calls For U.S. Safety Review
Tuesday, 03/15/11 7:34am
http://www.vpr.net/news_detail...

[ Parent ]
Man, (4.00 / 1)
this nuclear power renaissance we have been hearing about is off to bad start.

Thank gawd (4.00 / 1)
that Entergy has only one reactor in Vermont.

free press this (4.00 / 1)
morning, someone stated 'serious economic consequences if VY closes...'

vs.

serious environmental and health consequences if a leaky, aged, poorly managed facility were to have an accident....

also I'm fascinated by the same folks who claim 'it can't happen here... VY was designed for the worst that we expect to happen in the region...

and it is my understanding that the plants currently having issues were also designed to be failproof....


And their wrong... (4.00 / 1)
...closure of VY combined with investment in renewables will create an order of magnitude more jobs than keeping the plant open.

Oh, then there's that pesky radiation and waste: no serious economic consequences there.

What, there's health and environmental probs, too?  This shit seems like Bad Idea Jeans...

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No socialism! (0.00 / 0)
Except for banks and finance companies too big to fail, and nuke plants. And defense contractors. And... wait, we can socialize the insurance and costs of nuclear plants, but we can't do that with health care?

I'm so confused.


[ Parent ]
Socialize costs (0.00 / 0)
Privative profits.

What's so hard about that?

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OMG (0.00 / 0)
Their?

Our son might be having a sleep regression, but I apparently am having a spelling regression.

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[ Parent ]
Yeah; you'd think Larry Smith would have sense enough (4.00 / 1)
to keep his head down and his mouth shut.  To quote Bugs Bunny:
What a maroon!


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Couldn't find all of them (0.00 / 0)
comment/Seattle times:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

Can't get this to work:
http://www.markjohnsonshow.net...

old:
I did find this also, a little dusty but a good read:
http://www.state.nv.us/nucwast...

old:
http://www.beyondnuclear.org/t...

Dave Gram has a NewsVine column:
http://ap-183488.newsvine.com/



Community Radio (0.00 / 0)
Anrie was also on Goddard College's WGDR Plainfield / WGDH Hardwick Monday morning for half an hour!  

Live news (3.00 / 1)
up to the minute from Japanese NHK World TV  
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld...



INES (3.00 / 1)
Has been upped to 6. Chernobyl was a 7.

Japan's nuclear crisis is equivalent to number six on the INES scale of nuclear accidents, Kyodo news agency has quoted the French Nuclear Agency as saying.

The INES - International Nuclear and Radiological Event Scale - ranks incidents from one to seven, with one described as "anomaly" and seven as "major accident".

Six is described by INES as "serious accident". The 1986 Chernobyl disaster is the only incident to have been ranked at seven, while the explosion at Kyshtym, Russia, in 1957, is the only incident ever to be ranked as a six.

INES describes level number six as: "Significant release of radioactive material likely to require implementation of planned countermeasures."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...


Depressing to read... (4.00 / 1)
...Criminally absurd pundits like William Saletan in Slate, doing the full-blown apologia and contrived glass-half-full analysis, hauling out the gamut of "well, it's not really as bad as it seems" and "it's not as bad as it could have been" and "really, this all went according to plan" -- only to serve up the presumed money shot: "but, hey, everything else is even worse, so whaddya gonna do?" and arguing that just because nuclear power just failed catastrophically, we shouldn't for a moment reconsider it.

If that remains the level of discussion in the US, then Entergy and the rest of the crooks in the "nukular" biz will be able to hoodwink us into continuing this insane gamble with the future of our kids and our planet.

Thank you, Maggie & Arnie, for remaining a voice of reason and reasoned concern when the Glenn Beck school of ignorance is likely to prevail to our detriment.  


Saletan generally annoys me (4.00 / 1)
Annoyed me more than usual when I'd read that POS.  But hey, accidents happen with oil and we haven't given up on that, have we?  And sure, heroin is bad for you, but you haven't killed anybody yet so why quit?

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Killer atomic angst of the left (4.00 / 1)
 or TMI and Chernobyl happened long ago.
It isn't just Saletan with the, its-not-that-bad-if-consider- something-worse argument.
Politico.com I suspect takes great delight in pointing out A quiet, dramatic change in American politics over the last decade has been the conditional embrace on the left of nuclear power.  
Josh Marshall and Matt Ygelsias are quoted using gentler language than Saletan.  
[...]Again, I'm  not wanting to say anything definitive. But even at these moments when we see the most frightening side of nuclear power, I think we should still draw back and look at the global -- meant both literally and figuratively -- costs of different fuels and consider the possibility that nuclear power is actually safer for our own health and that of the planet. Josh Marshall

http://www.politico.com/blogs/...

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I think what resonated most with me (4.00 / 1)
when I heard Arnie's CNN interview was the point he made about it not requiring a massive earthquake and tsumani to unleash a nuclear accident at VY.   He repeated the oft overlooked fact that the chain of failures at Fukushima were linked to the flooding of the tsunami. This notion that we're invulnerable because we won't ever have exactly the same set of catastrophes as have occurred in Japan is utter nonsense.  A single massive flood of the Connecticut River might be sufficient to trigger a similar chain of events in the already decrepit VY, that wasn't even designed to withstand the stresses that the Japanese plant was.  

I've been saying for years (4.00 / 1)
No matter what you mat believe about nuclear power, this particular plant,  Vermont Yankee, has reached the end of it's life and needs to be closed.

[ Parent ]
Maggie & Arnie are treasured Vermont assets (4.00 / 3)
Thank you so much for your service to the cause of rational debate.

We are truly lucky to have them! (4.00 / 1)


[ Parent ]
Another very impressive interview with Arnie on CNN tonight. (4.00 / 1)
They're really getting into some of the long-standing issues with these  Mark 1 reactors now.

By the way, in skimming through NRC articles I came across this one (4.00 / 2)

In keeping with the NRC's pattern of never having met a reactor it couldn't love, they've just  today issued a waiver for the Indian Point plant in New York allowing Entergy (yes, it's another Entergy cheap seat) to adopt lower standards for fire protection.   Instead of the usual one hour of fire resistance, the critical cables within the plant will now only have to withstand 27 to 48 minutes of exposure.  

Read all about it here.

You'd think the NRC would have the decency (if not the common sense) to withhold their decision on something like this until the fires in Japan were brought under control!


[ Parent ]
The Rachel Maddow Show, Tuesday March 15th (0.00 / 0)
Very nice job Arnie!

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