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Paula Routly can't be that stupid

by: Jack McCullough

Wed Oct 06, 2010 at 08:25:12 AM EDT


Seriously.

Mitch Wertlieb just did an excellent interview of Paula Routly, publisher of Seven Days, and David Mindich, a journalism professor at St. Michael's, and it is almost beyond belief.

As you might guess, the interview conerns the Dubie campaign's misuse of a survey Seven Days did of State House insiders last year in which they identified Peter Shumlin as the "most ethically challenged" legislator. What's wrong with that, you might ask? How about the fact that Seven Days sent out 400 surveys, got about thirty back, and awarded Shumlin this dubious title based on only twelve votes?

 Oh yeah, and it was all anonymous.

In the interview, Routly is somewhere between totally clueless, wilfully blind to the effects of her actions, or just floundering to get out of a bad situation. For instance, she says that Seven Days can't be held responsible for how people use their news coverage, while in almost the next breath acknowledging that Democrats started complaining to her as soon as the "survey" was published that what has happened--the misuse of the results by the Republicans--was exactly what was predictably going to happen.

Routly's rationalization is that the survey was a good way for the readers of Seven Days to get inside information about what happens in the State House, like Dick Sears's temper or David Deen's environmentalist cred. Does she really expect us to believe that there was no other way to get this information?

Obviously, there are a couple of giant holes with her argument. First, if the survey is invalid, as this one clearly was, how can she credibly claim that it was a valid basis to provide accurate information to the readers? Quick answer: she can't.

Second, Seven Days already knows how to do in-depth, probing coverage of what happens in the State House. Even without getting insiders to go on the record, which is another of Routly's rationalizations,  Seven Days did a very strong story on Ed Flanagan's problems as a state senator; some people argued that the story was unfair, but I haven't heard anyone knowledgeable in what happens in the State House claim that it was inaccurate.

As you listen to the story, and I hope you will, listen carefully to Routly's answers. Even as she admits the small size of the poll, she argues that the "most ethically challenged" rating for Shumlin is "significant" because "he won by 43% of the vote, however small it was" (of their microscopic sample).

More Routly: "I don't think we can plan our coverage based on how information is going to be manipulated."

Nobody is saying they should. On the other hand, it is entirely appropriate for news consumers to expect that they will plan their coverage based on whether their reporters were able to actually find and report a story. In this case, Routly is totally oblivious to the fact that Seven Days did a terrible job of reporting this. When they essentally got nothing in response to their survey the responsible course would have been to decide that they don't have enough information to report and spike the story.

Now they've become a tool of the Dubie campaign, they have only themselves to blame, but Shumlin and the voters of Vermont may wind up as the victims of what can only be considered a gross example of journalistic malpractice.

Jack McCullough :: Paula Routly can't be that stupid
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Thanks so much for posting this (4.00 / 3)
this had come up some time ago, but I'd forgotten about it.

I'm seeing a lot of sloppiness on the part of today's mainstream media.  I wish they'd realize how important their jobs are to a healthy democracy.

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Thanks Jack (4.00 / 4)
Good post, Jack.  Seven Days should first offer an apology to Peter Shumlin for publishing such a piece of trash.  Second, they need to rethink their idiotic surveys and concentrate on serious issues.  People who want ridiculous information in place of real news can tune into FOX.  Time for Seven Days to step-up to the plate and admit they made a foolish mistake.  

[ Parent ]
Surely, not (4.00 / 1)
I heard that interview and was infuriated with Paula Routly.  She sounded like she had no idea what she was doing; knowingly using that poorly returned and obviously skewed poll; and willfully ignoring (or gleefully rejoicing in) her role in effecting Dubie's Slime Machine.  Either she is an idiot, a Dubie-ite, or she was forced.  Those are really the only choices.

Her interview made her sound really, really bad.


[ Parent ]
Error of margin (4.00 / 3)
Thanks to VPR for making the effort to correct and enlighten this foolishness.
Got to wonder about the Seven Days publisher defending this survey as anything other than the meaningless fluff it is.


It didn't end there (4.00 / 1)
and, it's  not over yet:
How a political smear went viral
By Nick Monsarrat on November 14, 2010
http://vtdigger.org/2010/11/14...

[ Parent ]
Thanks for pointing to that (3.00 / 1)
it was very well summarized.

Musician, Web Designer, Photographer

[ Parent ]
I can only add - (4.00 / 3)
What would Peter Freyne have to say?

Boy do we miss you Peter and Vermont is way way the worse  for your departure. GD it!


I don't think this story is a reflection on 7 Days ... (0.00 / 0)
I think this story illustrates the outright lies that Dubie and his "Friends of" crew are spreading and is a reflection of that.

It's over at http://ramabahama.net ... only it's still under construction (but so is the rest of my life)

Responsibility is not an apple pie (4.00 / 5)
If we give the Dubie campaign a big slice of responsibility pie, it doesn't then follow that there's only a sliver left in the pan to allot for 7 Days.

Responsibility is responsibility. Dubie's campaign bears the full responsibility for their sleazy tactics, and that in no way lessens the responsibility 7 Days has for, as Jack so accurately put it, journalistic malpractice... particularly this continued, weak - even desperate - refusal to own up to doing something wrong.

12 anonymous votes. That's just shameful. Nowhere to pass the buck on that, whatsoever.

Nullius perfectus est


[ Parent ]
Seven Days has always been upfront about what they had .. (2.00 / 1)
here's the links:
http://7dvt.com/2010legislativ...
http://www.7dvt.com/2010legisl...

Was it a smart survey smartly presented? No, but that doesn't mean Seven Days did anything untoward. Seven Days did  the survey and completely and honestly presented the results including levels of non-participation.

But it isn't Seven Days running around laying out the claim that Shumlin's peers voted him "Most Ethically Challenged"; it is Brian Dubie and "Friends". Dubie and "Friends" are lying, not Seven Days.

It's over at http://ramabahama.net ... only it's still under construction (but so is the rest of my life)


[ Parent ]
asdf (4.00 / 2)
but that doesn't mean Seven Days did anything untoward

I strongly disagree.

Nullius perfectus est


[ Parent ]
asdf II (1.00 / 1)
I strongly disagree.

And you are wrong.

It's over at http://ramabahama.net ... only it's still under construction (but so is the rest of my life)


[ Parent ]
You haven't (4.00 / 1)
demonstrated odum's wrongness in any way.
A petulant assertion followed by a walkaway does not constitute winning a point.
Except perhaps in your own mind, which may well be enough for you.
Mission accomplished?

"That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State ..."- Vermont Constitution Chapter 1, Article 16

[ Parent ]
heh (4.00 / 3)
I'm wrong? Really? I'll double check.

(double checks)

No, I definitely disagree.

Nullius perfectus est


[ Parent ]
In light of this embarassment, (4.00 / 3)
one can understand why they were on WCAX news last night waxing indignant (and rightly so) over the fact that a video of the Shumlin highway-stop for speeding was released to the media, but when a similar video of Salmon being arrested for drunk driving was requested for release, the request was refused!  Too little, too late.

telling quotes & revisionist attempts (4.00 / 3)
It would appear that among the telling quotes concerning their survey and its results, particularly as concerns the top category most highlighted include (here):

[...]

Still, when the same lawmaker's name comes up eight, 10 or even 12 times in a given category, it sure seems like there's something to it. Despite the small sample size, the results are surprisingly insightful. Accurate, even, based on what Seven Days has observed over the years.

[...]

******

Most Ethically Challenged

Sen. Peter Shumlin (D-Windham)
12 votes

During last month's Mardi Gras parade in Burlington, Sen. Peter Shumlin climbed aboard an anti-Vermont Yankee float sponsored by the Vermont Public Interest Research Group. No doubt he saw it as an opportunity in the wake of the Senate vote against the nuke plant. Turns out he may have used VPIRG polling information to his political advantage, too. Smart, affable and possessing sales skills some would describe as "slick," the senator from Putney never misses an opportunity to advance his ambitious agenda - did we mention he's running for governor? Though it took only 12 people to bestow upon Shumlin the dubious distinction of "most ethically challenged," the cross-section of voters is notable: Seven legislators, three lobbyists and the only two staffers who took the survey said he's the one. [...]


Now, since they are most likely more concerned about their advertising income, 7Days seems to be making revisionist attempts at a rewrite of sorts in order to distance themselves from these statements that others have picked up and have been using.

No Jack, Paula Routly can't be that stupid, however it would appear she and others at 7Days must believe most Vermonters are.

Morgan W. Brown

Montpelier, Vermont


link (3.00 / 1)
had forgotten to embed link to article. it is, here.

Morgan W. Brown

Montpelier, Vermont


[ Parent ]
How about a little experiment (4.00 / 2)

Paula Routly does not seem to understand the concept of an unscientific poll. I'm sure if this diary was cross-posted to, say, Daily Kos with a poll containing the following options: Is Paula Routly a stupid journalist? The most stupid journalist ever? Does Paula Routly lack professional integrity? Or All of the Above, you could get hundreds of votes that portray her in an unflattering light. If someone were to send her the results of such a poll, she may actually learn something and become a better journalist for it.  

Now THAT (0.00 / 0)
is not a half-bad idea.
Odum? Bueller? Bueller?
All this would need would be a snappier title...hmm.....

"That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State ..."- Vermont Constitution Chapter 1, Article 16

[ Parent ]
Aw jeez (0.00 / 0)
Not odum.
JAck.
I was still fixated on Rama's little nanner nanner up there.

"That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State ..."- Vermont Constitution Chapter 1, Article 16

[ Parent ]
The best (0.00 / 0)
idea I've heard yet & more evidence of complete cluelessness on her part.

Stunning lack of objectivity frightening.

Inablity to fully comprehend this act of complete & utter disregard for journalistic principles & ethics from all angles, and, that the sword has a double edge.

A glance in the mirror prior would have prevented all of this.

As I behold her tortuous explanation I find the line of reasoning difficult to even comprehend.

Nothing but a complete about face will do & since the damage has been done, on scale of 1-10 for setting record straight I'd give it a -1.  


[ Parent ]
Reflections from a journalist (4.00 / 3)
Paula Routly and Seven Days bear no responsibility for how their news coverage is bent, folded, and mutilated by politicians. However, they do deserve a heapin' helpin' of blame for running the story in the first place.

They sent out this big survey and got back a handful of responses, too few to hang a responsible story on. What to do, what to do? They'd invested a fair bit of effort, and presumably were reluctant to kill the whole thing. So they took the path of least resistance and greatest expediency -- they made a big fat front-page story out of it.

And that, my friends, is taking a sow's ear and trying to convince us that it's a silk purse. It was journalistically irresponsible, no two ways about it.  

"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible."  --Frank Zappa


Too bad they didn't include Dubie in the survey (4.00 / 4)
If only they had asked Who is the stupidest person serving in the Statehouse? There would have been a landslide for Dubie.

I am really disappointed in Seven Days for not calling their survey what it was -- an unscientific, gossipy, tongue in cheek piece of fluff. I expected more of Paula.


One thing is certain. (4.00 / 1)
Nobody will bother to fill out this poll ever again.  

I listened to the VPR story this morning and was struck when Routly equated being votes as the "stingiest lawmaker" was the same as being the most fiscally responsible.  One is a political belief, the other is most often used to refer to a character flaw.  Not the same thing at all.

I suppose it's not all that shocking that their poll had the same shoddy oversight.  A fish always stinks from its head.


Are you kidding? (4.00 / 3)
There's great incentive for some of the sleazier types to fill it out after this episode. 99% of legislators and lobbyists may have the self-respect to ignore it, but apparently all it takes is a few of those tackier statehouse folks to just go for it and tag a member they don't like with an unflattering shingle that can be used against them later, regardless of the quality of the supposed "poll."

Think of it, if 7 Days really has no standards about this thing, that means you and 3 buddies can irrevocably tar somebody's reputation through them - even you and your 3 buddies make up the entirety of the poll's response! What an opportunity!

Nullius perfectus est


[ Parent ]
while on the subject surveys and polls ... (4.00 / 1)
vote in yet another unscientific and meaningless -- tongue-in-cheek -- poll, here.

By the way, in this one asking who is in running as being "most ethically challenged" VT politician, Brian Dubie is currently in the lead ahead of Peter Shumlin.

Go figure!

Guess it all depends on what the question is and how it is posed as well as whom participates of course.

View poll results, here.

Morgan W. Brown

Montpelier, Vermont


There Is No Truth to This Rumor That Circulated Recently at SVR (0.00 / 0)
From the September 2010 archive at the Free Vermont Framework listserv:

mailmanlist.net/pipermail/free_vermont_framework/attachments/20100915/0554f9a9/attachment.htm
From dmorso1 (Dennis Morrisseau, SVR Foreign Minister & VT Senate candidate) at netzero.com Wed Sep 15 19:45:36 2010
From: dmorso1 at netzero.com (Denny)
Date: Wed Sep 15 19:47:15 2010
Subject: [Free Vermont Framework] Mixed News (FYI)
MessageID: <20100915.154536.15509.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com>

"Is Paula Rowtly or Rowley.....owner/partner in Seven Days his (Thomas Rowley's) wife?"



Secession - "It doesn't make economic sense, it doesn't make political sense, it doesn't make historical sense. Other than that, it's a good idea."

Latest Seven Days Political Survey (3.00 / 1)
Here's a link to the Vermont Young Professionals gubernatorial candidate survey that we published this week. Not sure if anyone saw it in the whole brouhaha about the survey we published in March.

FYI, if somebody makes an ad out of it, you should blame me, not Paula.
http://7dvt.com/2010vermont-yo...


What were you trying for? (4.00 / 1)
I'm confused... you polled a decent size group of the VYP members (98) for topics, but then only let 7 vote on what the candidates said about each topic?   So, when it comes down to it, this is only the opinion of 7 people, which is a pretty small sample.  Why didn't you allow the greater VYP membership to weigh in?   What is this supposed to demonstrate?

[ Parent ]
Give it up! (4.00 / 1)
Clearly it is time for Seven Days to stop polling and to restart investigative reporting.  They have a decent record on the latter and a lack of understanding about the former.  

[ Parent ]
That was a dumb and stupid and stooooopid survey. (4.00 / 1)
I'm a registered lobbyist. Seven Days sent me the survey and I was immediately impressed by how stoooopid it was. I am pleased to say I was part of the silent majority that took a pass on answering.

With virtually no response, Seven Days' stoooooopid mistake was in publishing the meaningless and silly results to begin with.


Paula Routly Can't Be that Stupid (4.00 / 2)
Never mind Dubie, and the desperate acts of Republican operatives grasping for 'issues' to cover in their attack ads....

Paula clearly isn't that stupid, having over a decade delivered to Vermonters one of the few sustained, free and unfettered sources of diverse perspectives available, whilst fewer and fewer sources of objective information survive.

That being said, publishing a "poll' that lacks basic statistical substance was sensational, or at least unresponsible.

Daisy awards have better statistical support.

For instance, no responsible polling organization would consider, let alone publish, a poll which generated a 7.5% response rate.  Common sense would dictate that such a small cohort of respondents might just be lop-sided in their enthusiasm and perspective, relative to the informed opinion of the entire 400 legislators.

A 12 out of 30 response, translated into a percentage would be 40% (or 43%).  However, the margin of error on those numbers would be plus-or-minus of 18%.  Which is almost half the "significant" number Paula states.  So, the "true" proporiton of the "percentage" would be somewhere between 22% and 58%.  In other words - too wide a confidence interval to be statistically worth bupkis, and should have lead Paula to conclude there's not even a modicum of cause to do anything other than scrap the entire failed excercise.

The potential that Seven Days at the time of the poll might dis a potential candidate, an outsider from the group of darlings that Burlington-based politicos might prefer, may be more likely than stupidity.

Too bad you can't have your cake and eat it too.

If Seven Days expects to be taken seriously (God help us if that's not the case!), then it needs to distinguish between larks (who makes the coolest Pizza?) and the very serious business of political 'news' versus editorial page political endorsement.

As big a boner as Seven Days pulled, it pales in comparison with the distortions that Republican election managers stoop to forming the list of 'issues' that Dubie is endorsing.  Seven Days should be embarrassed. Dubie should be ashamed.


I find it amazing ... (0.00 / 0)
just how all powerful 7 Days is. They put out the results of one unscientific poll, Brian Dubie and "Friends" use these same unscientific results to support an out right lie, and it seems like it's all 7 Days fault!

This is getting pathetic.

It's over at http://ramabahama.net ... only it's still under construction (but so is the rest of my life)


A quick addition ... (0.00 / 0)
even Mark Johnson has bought into this line that we shouldn't be talking about Brian Dubie and "Friends" basing an obvious lie on an unscientific poll.

I brought up the fact about Dubie's big lie, and like almost every poster in this thread Johnson wanted to bring it back to bashing 7 Days (and I repeat what I pointed out above: 7 Days was up front and open about everything regarding this survey - including pointing out the lack of participation).

It's over at http://ramabahama.net ... only it's still under construction (but so is the rest of my life)


[ Parent ]
pathetic indeed (4.00 / 1)
Strange that a singular defense of the indefensible has become your latest fixation. You've brought no arguments other than "it doesn't really suck, because they said it kinda sucks", which counts for absolutely nothing, as the ads demonstrate.

Also the standard "why aren't you picking on Dubie" which of course is the most typically used rhetorical dodge of all, most frequently encountered during cold war liberal/conservative arguments (how can you criticize America, when the SOVIETS are so much WORSE!). Of course this is the oddest refrain, since we criticize Dubie for this - and other things - daily. Love to see that applied uniformly (how can you criticize fill-in-the-blank, when you should be going after Dubie!). Didn't know we could criticize more than one person at a time.

And your latest in the above thread "its not a poll, it's a survey" with no further clarification.

I assume you have a personal relationship in play, here. If so, I understand how you feel, but its time to cut your losses. You're embarrassing yourself. 7 Days has earned these lumps. Your unfounded defense just prolongs the whole thing.

Nullius perfectus est


[ Parent ]
Okay .. once again an opportunity for you Odum (0.00 / 0)
to put up some evidence for any of your claims against me. This time you can provide support for "I assume you have a personal relationship in play".

But of course you can't. As usual.

It's over at http://ramabahama.net ... only it's still under construction (but so is the rest of my life)


[ Parent ]
Uhhhh... (2.00 / 2)
Right on, daddy-o. No evidence here, because it's not a "claim," it's an assumption. A benevolent assumption(I thought), because I'm looking for some rational reason why you've made this thing a personal cause.

Sorry if that offended you. Maybe you hate them all over there, I really don't care. I was looking for a reason not to come to less flattering conclusions about the point of your crusade on this, and I thought defending a friend was, y'know, pretty honorable.

Guess I was wrong. Fair enough.

Nullius perfectus est


[ Parent ]
And that's more ratings abuse (4.00 / 1)
Control yourself Rama. This is your final warning.

Nullius perfectus est

[ Parent ]
Ratings abuse? (0.00 / 0)
You put out a post that had only one intention: call someone names.

That's a troll post in my book any day of the year.

It's over at http://ramabahama.net ... only it's still under construction (but so is the rest of my life)


[ Parent ]
Your book (4.00 / 1)
is irrelevant.
The book here is written by odum. This blog is his private property.

You are abusing the ratings system.

Stop.

"That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State ..."- Vermont Constitution Chapter 1, Article 16


[ Parent ]
Well then maybe you should be reading the rules yourself then ... (4.00 / 1)
(and maybe Odum should either re-write them or stay within the bounds too).
[Troll rating] is a rating reserved for comments which are not designed to add to the discussion, but serve to disrupt or derail it, usually (but not exclusively) by calling other posters names, posting defamatory material, etc.

(source: GMD rules as presented to the public)

Odum should have been troll rated off the site long ago by the above GMD rule. Come to think of it so should you, kestrel. It would take a dead chipmunk mere minutes to search your and odum's comments to find plenty of examples of posts devoted to name calling.

But that's okay - 'cause you got authority, dontcha' kestrel?



It's over at http://ramabahama.net ... only it's still under construction (but so is the rest of my life)


[ Parent ]
Wouldn't you rather (2.67 / 3)
debate the necessity of wind speed and direction in rdio weather forecasts?

"That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State ..."- Vermont Constitution Chapter 1, Article 16

[ Parent ]
The "book" ... remember? (0.00 / 0)
(my emphasis)
This is a rating reserved for comments which are not designed to add to the discussion, but serve to disrupt or derail it, usually (but not exclusively) by calling other posters names, posting defamatory material, etc.

(source:the "book" as written by odum)

It's over at http://ramabahama.net ... only it's still under construction (but so is the rest of my life)

[ Parent ]
Okay, I'm going to step in here where my input is probably unwelcome. (4.00 / 6)
Rama, there is no point in bandying about quotes from the ratings guidelines, as they are obviously subjective; and the bottom line is that the framers of those ratings, the admins of the site, are the final arbiters of how to apply them.  This isn't a democracy.  It's a blog-site in which you choose to participate, understanding full well that participation is at the discretion of the hosts.  I, for one, enjoy your posts and comments and find them valuable most of the time. But when you get to wrangling with the admins over terms of access, that amounts to a huge waste of everyone's attention, which should not be distracted at a time like this when we all have so much at stake.

No one is in disagreement that Peter Welch was wrong on ACORN; and if that were the single most important issue on the table right now it might bear further discussion. However, just as I would challenge you to name one person in your acquaintance who has never made a mistake, I challenge you to name one member of Congress with whom you have agreed 100% with every vote and every position he or she has taken since assuming office.  I know I can't do that, myself.  We can keep striving to achieve that through constructive efforts, but name calling on our little blog does little to change the reality that Peter Welch is far and away the best choice we have in this election cycle and our focus right now should be to place no obstacles in his path  to reelection.  To do otherwise would be cutting off our noses to spite our faces.

Let's just move on, please.


[ Parent ]
Sue, (4.00 / 2)
thank you for your rally to restore sanity.

[ Parent ]
So pray tell me Sue ... (0.00 / 1)
when kestrel with all his authority tells me I should be following odum's rules, and I point out what odum's rules state - why are you telling me I'm wrong?

And you're absolutely correct - this is odum's blog and he can do what he wants and he can even let the likes of kestrel have his "authority" to try and bully people with.

The reality is, as your second paragraph illustrates, this isn't about me and my telling odum he's reduced himself to simple name calling by way of a rating (remember - it has no effect on his site permissions). This is really about me calling out the weasel welch on his dishonesty and untrustworthiness or some other such topic.

By the by - I lost my ability to rate again because somebody has "authority".

It's beyond pathetic ... a bunch of bully boy wannabes struttin' their online stuff 'cause they got "authority".

Have fun with 'em.

It's over at http://ramabahama.net ... only it's still under construction (but so is the rest of my life)


[ Parent ]
I'm not interested in a debate over who's right and who's wrong... (4.00 / 2)
That's my point.

[ Parent ]
Time for you... (0.00 / 0)
...to take a break, Rama.

You can re-apply to post here in a month, after you've stepped back for a while.

Nullius perfectus est


[ Parent ]
cost (4.00 / 1)
I hope that this survey does not cost Shumlin the election.  If so, Routly will be wearing this one.  It's sad; Seven Days usually does great stuff and is thorough
with their surveys.  

When you wake up each morning look around you.  It might be the last time you get to do it.  


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