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What comes next (updated with major unity letter from Peter, Doug and Deb)

by: JulieWaters

Mon Aug 30, 2010 at 06:00:00 AM EDT


Major Update on what just happened:

  FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
   AUGUST 29, 2010

   CONTACT:
   Alexandra MacLean
   Shumlin Campaign Manager
   (802) 272-0443

   Amy Schollenberger
   Racine Campaign Manager
   (802) 793-1114

   Paul Tencher
   Markowitz Campaign Manager
   (401) 965-3761

   Burlington, Vt - Gubernatorial candidates, Peter Shumlin, Doug Racine and Deb Markowitz sent the following e-mail to their lists of supporters today.

   Dear Vermonter,

   As we prepare for the recount process we wanted to share with you our plan to ensure that no matter what the results of the recount are, we will beat Brian Dubie in November.

   With the unofficial results showing Peter winning by 197 votes, we all agree that he should continue to campaign as the presumptive nominee.  We've also agreed to campaign together while the recount takes place.  Our vision for Vermont is dramatically different than Brian Dubie's and as this process unfolds, it is critical that Vermonters understand the contrast between Brian's vision and our own.

   We will all be working together over the coming days to ensure that the recount process happens as quickly and effectively as possible so the nominee has as much time as possible to beat Brian.  In addition, the three of us will continue to work together to ensure that fundraising, staffing and other efforts essential to the campaign continue.

   In many ways, this may have been the most extraordinary primary in the history of Vermont.  All five candidates articulated their vision for Vermont without disparaging each other.  The reason that roughly 75,000 Vermonters turned out to vote is because they were energized by these positive visions.  Whatever the results of the recount, the Democratic nominee will have this energy, passion, and excitement behind them as they take on Brian Dubie.

   Thank you for all of your support.

   Best,

   Peter, Doug, Deb

Racine has requested a recount.  At this juncture, there are several possible outcomes.  This piece outlines my perspective on the possible outcomes, and what we need to do to maintain our best chance of Democratic victory come November.

First, regarding the recount itself:

It's easy to object to a recount and explain why it's a bad idea.  It's easy to sow discord over it because some people truly do resent it.  Others think it's a bad idea, politically, for a variety of reasons.  They may or may not be wrong, but that's become irrelevant at this point.

Here's what's important to remember: the campaign for the Democratic nomination is over.  The votes have been cast.  The decision has been made.  That decision will be known for certain in the not too distant future, but there's nothing we can do to change it in any form at this point.  

So we have options.  We can discuss whether or not the recount is a good idea.  We can complain about it or praise it.  We can argue over it.  But that ship has sailed, and, honestly, come November 3rd, no one will care what we say now about it.  Some of us will be able to say "see!  I told you it was an awful idea" or "I was right!  The recount helped us in the end."  

Right here, right now, I, personally, would like to focus on the things that we can change, the things we can do, and where to go from here.

JulieWaters :: What comes next (updated with major unity letter from Peter, Doug and Deb)
So let's talk about the things to look out for:

When the nomination was undecided for President in 2008, there was a concerted effort on the part of Republicans to sow discord and disarray among Democrats, exploiting anger between the groups.  I don't need to tell anyone this, but sometimes we need reminders.

Expect this.  Expect a media narrative that this is bad for Democrats.  It doesn't matter whether you agree with it or if it's right.  This narrative would have come no matter the situation, no matter the outcome.  Expect people to come to groups such as ours, pretending to be Democrats, trying to make us fight one another.  

But also expect real Democrats with real anger over this to be coming here to have their say about this as well and expect to have difficulty telling the difference.

All of that is okay.  What, however, is dangerous is turning it into an opportunity for the rest of us to start bashing our candidates in the process.  There is potential for harm in this, because it does sow discord, whether intentional or not.

I say this and some of you will use this as an opportunity to vent anger.  Do that or not, but keep in mind the bigger picture.  We have a Democrat to elect in November.  

In the meantime, those of us who do not have an axe to grind over this have an obligation to speak with kindness and clarity, without attacking one another.  We can disagree without fighting.  We can dissent without dismissing.  We can discuss without damage.

When this is all over, we will have one of three outcomes.  Either Shumlin will win, Racine will win or, in a move that will completely amaze everyone, Markowitz will win.

In any case, some people will be disappointed, but they'll have felt at the end of this that their voice was heard and know their vote was counted.  They'll end up as supporters of the final winner if we can keep the campaigns as cordial as they have been prior to the vote.  

This means not rising to bait.  This means thinking about what we post-- not self-censorship but just thinking of intent.  When we post something that's an attack on a candidate or his or her supporters, are we doing so to validate or own egos?  Are we doing so to be defensive and/or aggressive?  Or, instead, are we doing so to benefit the campaigns?  Again, I'm not saying what people should or should not do except to say that we need to be conscious of what we are doing and think about it clearly.  

I say all this because I've already seen hostile comments from supporters of both Racine and Shumlin, about each candidate and/or his supporters.  These have come up here and on the candidates' Facebook pages.

All I'm really asking is "what's the point?"  As I said, the campaign is over.  Arguing the relative merits of a Shumlin vs. Racine choice is no longer of value.  In any case, 3/4ths of the Democratic electorate refused to support your candidate and they had reasons for making the choice they did.  Whoever comes out on top here, doesn't just want that other 75%.  She or he desperately needs it.

So this is what can happen in the meantime:

The candidates themselves can reach out to one another.  They can work together and with their own supporters to encourage them to support the winner.  They can show great respect for one another throughout the process.  And they can agree as a group to go after Brian Dubie.  

One vulnerability that exists right now is that if any of the candidates goes after Dubie directly, taking the fight to him, it will seem presumptuous, like they're declaring victory before it's over.

You need to be presumptuous to run for Governor.  You need to be a little arrogant.  It's okay.

So let's have them all do it, hammering him constantly over the next three weeks.  And I don't just mean Shumlin and Racine.  I mean Markowitz, Dunne and Bartlett.  I mean they need to be playing up why Dubie is bad for Vermont.  If all five are doing it, there is no room for anyone to look presumptuous.  And if they all do a great job of it, we'll all be more comfortable with who the nominee is, even it wasn't our first (or 3rd choice).

But we need to be doing this too.  And we're especially poised to do this because we have nothing to lose and, quite frankly, we can be mean in ways the candidates never can.

We can muckrake.  We talk about this:

MONTPELIER - Lt. Gov. Brian Dubie received a helping hand in his gubernatorial bid from Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell Monday, who hosted a major fundraiser for the Vermont Republican in Washington, D.C.

He also got a barrage of criticism from Democrats for appearing with a man who once said that working women and feminists are "detrimental" to families and has recently rescinded a state policy against discriminating against gays and lesbians.

"It's not suprising that one of the most conservative governors in America is helping out Brian Dubie," said Alex MacLean, the campaign manager for Senate President Pro Tem Peter Shumlin. "Brian Dubie is far too conservative for Vermont."

in ways that are far less polite than our candidates need to be.

So here's my question, to every one reading this:

What are you going to do next that increases the chances that we end up with a Democrat in the Governor's office come November?  

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Still time to think this through (3.50 / 2)
Well, we do have until Tuesday to make a reasoned, scientific case that a recount is unnecessary.

Look, let's say all Dem voters understood the arithmetic of probability and knew how to study town by town and county by county results looking for aberrations. What would be happening now? The coordinated campaign would be staffed; the fund-raising process would be up and running; surrogates would be lining up appearances for the fall. Instead 100% of the party is being held hostage by 200 to 400 Racine die-hards (about 1/2 of 1% of Dem primary voters) piously claiming that the other 99.5% of Dem primary voters will not be satisfied until they are sure every single vote was counted correctly (not withstanding the fact that during the recount there will be ballots that judgment calls will be made about, and nobody can be sure they are being counted correctly).

So this time will be lost. And I don't believe those calling for the recount so loudly will really accept Shumlim (and I have to remind everyone I supported Matt) because I'm reading what less careful Racine supporters are saying on Facebook and Twitter and the fabulous Windsor County Dems listserve. So it appears to me that the recount will actually be more of a disservice to the party than not, and until it is formally requested I think the best way to help beat Dubie is to try to get the recount decision made scientifically instead of emotionally.

I'd love to see Amy post her analysis of where the missing or wrongly counted votes are going to come from; I've been pouring over the results and don't see it.

FXF
(F. X. Flinn, Quechee)


Not a mathmatical issue (3.67 / 3)
This is not a question of math, it is political and psychological.  The recount will keep all Democrats in the fold.  Every Democratic voter needs to be assured that his/her vote was accurately counted.  Yes, a few days of organizational time may be lost, but once the second debate is over all thinking Vermonters will understand why our Democratic candidate is the best choice.  

[ Parent ]
Amy's Response to FX Flinn (3.50 / 2)
F.X. - since you called me out specifically, I thought I would respond. First, I will say that I think (as does Doug) that the odds of the election results changing are slim. Although the results in a few towns did surprise me, I'm sure that was true for the other campaigns as well. The one thing everyone agreed on before this election was that nobody could guess who would win. So, I will decline your challenge of a town-by-town analysis, as I do not think it will do anyone any good.

What I will say, though, is I believe there are more factors than math at play here. As a professional organizer for the past 15 years and an organizing activist for most of my life, I have learned a few things about people and how they decide to be politically active. I would like to share a few thoughts about that in response to the comments you have posted here, on facebook, and on the Windsor Dems listserve.

First, my experience is that most people enjoy working together toward a common goal, especially if that goal will postively affect their lives or the lives of people they care about. I would disaagree with Odum here, when he says that human nature is divisive. My experience is that those few who seek to divide generally do so out of misunderstanding or disillusionment. That is, they do not believe that working together builds power, so they seek to gain power for themselves by dividing those around them. This can be a very effective strategy if those who are working together believe the dividers. It takes a lot of work and often a long time to build the trust that is needed to hold people together when the "divide and conquer" strategy is employed, especially if it is employed by "insiders" who are usually acting out of fear.

A campaign is a short timeline. Although each campaign has been able to do much work with our respective volunteers to build trust among ourselves, we have not been able to do as much of this work across campaigns because of the nature of a competitive race. We all knew we would have to do this work once the primary was over. I cannot speak for the other campaigns, but I can say for myself that I have put a lot of thought into how to do this. The decision to ask for a recount was Doug's, and I will not speak for him. However, I will say that he asked my opinion, and I told him he should do it -  not because I did the math or because I thought there were problems with the count - but because I was hearing from hundreds of people (some of whom did not support Doug in the election) that they wanted to know for sure who won this election. In order to continue to build the trust necessary to beat Brian Dubie, I recommended to Doug that he do the recount. He talked to many other people, and I do not want to say that he did it because I recommended it - I am only telling you what I think.

In the meantime, I think there are incredible opportunities to bring people together, build party unity, and build trust between the supporters of the various candidates. The key is to act with hope and optimism, rather than fear and cynicism. I will give you the math, but I think you should be open to the possibility that we are more than the sum of our parts.

- amy shollenberger


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Thanks, Amy! (4.00 / 1)
I think that was very well expressed.  We appreciate you choosing to share this with GMD.

[ Parent ]
yes (4.00 / 1)
Wonderfully said, Amy.  My respect for you and for Doug is immense.

[ Parent ]
Wait a sec... (3.00 / 1)

Amy, thanks for taking the time to write this up. I find it surprising that pointing out the very distant, virtually impossible odds of a recount changing the outcome is met with the response 'you're being a divider.'

I thought on Friday morning that the entire party would happily unite behind Peter and we'd be cranking up for the main event. I stress "happily unite."

It's too bad Doug did not and will not win this primary. I know many of my friends in Hartford and Windsor and Norwich and Woodstock preferred him to Peter or Matt, and I had any number of conversations during the primary season with them, and they can tell you that I always said I'd support whichever candidate won, and that I'd be happy if Doug won, since his politics are highly aligned with mine. Indeed, I worked hard on his behalf in 2002.

I am not "fearful" of a Racine candidacy, and I am not cynical about our primary process, the Vermont Democratic Party, or our chances in the fall. I'm just trying to say wait a second, folks, let's look carefully at the numbers, let's do a rational cost-benefit analysis, let's not let our emotions run away. And, not being an insider, all I have is my pen. Or keyboard.

As I have written, "hundreds" of calls from Doug's supporters urging him to ask for a recount in the emotional aftermath of the election simply do not match up with the needs of the Vermont Democratic Party, which needs to coalesce the coordinated campaign staff and start securing the funding needed to wage an effective campaign. The Vermont Democratic Party doesn't need a relative handful of people dividing attention and resources right now, especially since that isn't their intention: it's just that they have not really thought through the math and don't realize they are grasping at straws. Of course that is who you are hearing from, and it seems to be a large number. But in the context of 75,000 voters, it's not.

I am disappointed to read that you have not been pouring over the numbers and looking for towns where there might be a cache of votes for Doug that have been miscounted. If Doug had said on Friday "We have reason to think the Rutland (substitute any town) numbers are wrong," then I'd be right there with you on the recount.

I sincerely hope that you and Doug will take a hard look at the numbers and think carefully about what would be a leadership action on Tuesday: filing for a recount, or explaining to your most passionate supporters that the math really is not there, the slim chance is very slim indeed, and that it is time for the Vermont Democratic Party to take satisfaction in the gubernatorial candidacy of Peter Shumlin.

F. X. Flinn
Quechee VT


[ Parent ]
I understand your devotion to the numbers, but... (3.50 / 2)
...I feel it is shortsighted NOT to take into account all those emotions you don't want people to run away with.  Cost-benefit analysis is a very useful tool IF all the costs and all the benefits are analyzed.  Usually it is difficult to assign a numerical value to intangibles (just one of the many reasons that political forecasting is tricky). You feel we're losing time and fund raising opportunities and I appreciate your disappointment that other people don't see things the same way you do. But the point of view Amy expressed is equally rational (if not equally numerical). Yes, the numbers make it clear that the overall outcome is highly unlikely to change. I'm sure you've noticed, though, that voters vote for many reasons that have nothing to do with dispassionate analysis. Taking those other reasons into account is essential to running a good campaign.

I don't think interested observers are ever in agreement about how a campaign should make its decisions.  Sometimes a method of analysis proves to have been spot on, sometimes it is shown to have been a major miscalculation, and usually it isn't clearly one or the other. A great deal of care and thought went into making this decision, and as a voter, I'd like to make sure it has a positive result. The numbers are an essential part of the calculation, but they are not all the calculation, so I'm interested in looking at a new way to campaign through recounts as we go forward.


[ Parent ]
Quality of decision making (3.00 / 1)
"A great deal of care and thought went into making this decision"

There is evidence this is the not case -- the campaign admits it didn't do a thorough review of the town-by-town results. Consequently, a "great deal of care" was not taken. Perhaps a great deal of thought went into the decision.

I hope a lot of care and thought goes into the decision to take the formal action of requesting the recount tomorrow. We are not stuck with this decision -- yet.  


[ Parent ]
Now hold on here (3.00 / 1)
I would disaagree with Odum here, when he says that human nature is divisive. My experience is that those few who seek to divide generally do so out of misunderstanding or disillusionment.

I'm not even sure what "human nature is divisive" would mean. Human nature, is diverse. We do not all walk in lockstep. A strong social trend or a strong leader can make people fall into line in some ways - but only to a point.

That diversity is real. You've seen it on this site. Casting those differences as "divisive" or something similar strikes me as cynical, especially when that disagreement with you is so grounded in simple reason. Is reasoned debate "divisive?" Is a reasoned difference of opinion "divisive?" It seems that you are suggesting that recognizing the realities of this fundamental human diversity and the effect pumping a highly emotional, controversial course of action (that has virtually a zero chance statistically of changing anything) into that mix is somehow divisive, and that strikes me as a bit cynical.

No, folks are not going to fall in line and be happy about this. That's democracy. That's humanity.

But I am impressed that the Shumlin and Markowitz campaigns have stepped in to try to make this decision - which still strikes me as an unqualified mistake in judgement - as low impact and as "non-divisive" as possible. We at GMD will certainly do our part to make lemonade out of these lemons.

But don't ask us all to smile about it - and it really doesn't help to cast those of us who don't like this move as... I don't know what, exactly, but it didn't sound good.

Nullius perfectus est


[ Parent ]
I think there has been some misunderstanding here (4.00 / 2)
which should probably be set right before anything more gets said.  I believe Amy was probably referring to an exchange on a slightly earlier thread that went like this:

And so it begins... (0.00 / 0) [delete comment]

If you didn't think so before, you can see just from this thread that the recount is going to be divisive.
by: Michael Inners @ Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 10:06:08 AM EDT
[ Parent | Reply |   ]

exactly (0.00 / 0) [delete comment]

You can't change the basic laws of human nature.

Nullius perfectus est
by: odum @ Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 10:49:21 AM EDT
[ Parent | Reply |   ]

I doubt that any offense was intended on either side. I certainly didn't interpret either remark as having been meant to offend.


[ Parent ]
I know precisely what she was referring to (0.00 / 0)
I question the characterization, and the basic use of the language. I'm not sure what it would mean to say human nature is "divisive." That's kind of a clumsy use of a word that doesn't fit.

Given the basic laws of human nature (that we are diverse, often hot-headed people) this decision will, therefore be divisive.

And it's absurd to debate this. As Michael Inners - a member of the State Committee - notes, the very fact that we are having this discussion at all bears that out. Right?

Nullius perfectus est


[ Parent ]
This is kind of a self-fulfilling prophesy (4.00 / 1)
If you speak about this in ways that are divisive when discussing whether or not it is divisive, you create the reality that you insist exists.  

My take is that this has serious potential to be divisive, but it does not need to be and whether it is or not depends a lot on how we (and by "we" I mean pretty much everyone who wants a Democrat to be elected to the governor's office come Fall) approach it.  

Personally, I don't agree that this is human nature or any sort of nature.  Most of us are invested in a narrative which supports our own view of things.  For some people that boils down to "we should all just get along."  For others it boils down to "well, we've blown it again."  

But most of us don't accept either extreme of that.  Personally, I don't care what is or is not "human nature."  I care about what needs to get done next to push us towards victory come November.  I think you and I agree on that more than either of us cares about arguing over who said what, who implied what, who's interpretation of events is best, etc.

Musician, Web Designer, Photographer


[ Parent ]
Only a "self-fulfilling prophecy" (0.00 / 0)
...if I'm the only one out of lockstep with you guys - clearly I'm not. That makes it observation. Nothing more, nothing less.

And you mischaracterize my view of human nature. What exactly is the opinion that we are diverse and sometimes hot-headed extreme? Seriously.

I don't see how you argue this stuff. It's pretty broad and simple. It just doesn't fit into the idealized song that you understandably would like me (and other folks who do not like the recount notion.... and I'd be willing to bet there's more of "us") to cop to.

Seriously. You can't make this about me and my "self-fulfilling prophecy." That just doesn't add up.

Nullius perfectus est


[ Parent ]
I think we're talking past one another (0.00 / 0)
I don't have any idealized sense of any of what's going on.  

But it's a fact that the recount petition has already been submitted, regardless of whether or not we like it.

From my point of view, there is no decision Racine could have made here which wouldn't have resulted in some amount of problem.  Not requesting a recount would have left some of his supporters feeling left out of the process and let down.  Requesting one pissed off some Shumlin supporters and pissed off those of us who thought it was a bad political choice, for a variety of reasons.

Personally, I don't think it was the best choice for him to ask for one alone.  It should have been done with all three announcing it together.  But what's done is done and I'm much more interested in trying to figure out a way to minimize the divisiveness of the situation.

I just think that frequent harping on how divisive it supposedly is actually increases the amount of divisiveness involved.  That's all I meant by a self-fulfilling prophesy.

I, by the way, clearly didn't understand what you meant when you referenced "human nature" because nothing your saying now matches how I understood it when you first posted it.  

Musician, Web Designer, Photographer


[ Parent ]
Recount for Democracy (4.00 / 1)
Last year we were all inspired by the democratic recount process in Minnesota where Al Frankin eventually won by 300+/- votes after Colman had declared himself the winner in the November 2008 election.

I say respect the process but verify that every vote is counted correctly.
Minnesota proved that there are many ways for votes to be wrongly counted, and not all of them sinister.

There is also plenty of precedent to question the validity of the optical scanner counts.
As discussed here http://hackingdemocracy.com/ and here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
I hope all actual paper ballots are hand counted to assuage that worry.

What I really miss is Instant Runoff Voting.  
Despite the complexity it was a real breath of democracy in action....
And applied here we would really know which candidate most democratic voters in VT preferred... and know who that was only as late as a day after the election too !


Recounts (3.00 / 1)
This is a totally different situation than in Minnesota or the auditor recount a few years ago in VT. For one, it's a primary so you're talking about fewer votes that could change. Secondly, there are three other "leading candidates" which lowers the chance even furthur that Racine could make up enough ground to overtake Shumlin.

At first glance the vote difference isn't a huge margin (and it's not), but the chance that Racine makes it up given the two huge reasons I listed above is essentially nil.  


[ Parent ]
Just in. (4.00 / 3)
Maybe this should be an FP post, but I don't wanna bump Julie just yet. Although it could be argued that this merits an update to THIS diary:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
AUGUST 29, 2010

CONTACT:
Alexandra MacLean
Shumlin Campaign Manager
(802) 272-0443

Amy Schollenberger
Racine Campaign Manager
(802) 793-1114

Paul Tencher
Markowitz Campaign Manager
(401) 965-3761

Burlington, Vt - Gubernatorial candidates, Peter Shumlin, Doug Racine and Deb Markowitz sent the following e-mail to their lists of supporters today.

Dear Vermonter,

As we prepare for the recount process we wanted to share with you our plan to ensure that no matter what the results of the recount are, we will beat Brian Dubie in November.

With the unofficial results showing Peter winning by 197 votes, we all agree that he should continue to campaign as the presumptive nominee.  We've also agreed to campaign together while the recount takes place.  Our vision for Vermont is dramatically different than Brian Dubie's and as this process unfolds, it is critical that Vermonters understand the contrast between Brian's vision and our own.

We will all be working together over the coming days to ensure that the recount process happens as quickly and effectively as possible so the nominee has as much time as possible to beat Brian.  In addition, the three of us will continue to work together to ensure that fundraising, staffing and other efforts essential to the campaign continue.

In many ways, this may have been the most extraordinary primary in the history of Vermont.  All five candidates articulated their vision for Vermont without disparaging each other.  The reason that roughly 75,000 Vermonters turned out to vote is because they were energized by these positive visions.  Whatever the results of the recount, the Democratic nominee will have this energy, passion, and excitement behind them as they take on Brian Dubie.

Thank you for all of your support.

Best,

Peter, Doug, Deb

 

Usually when people are sad, they don't do anything. They just cry over their condition. But when they get angry, they bring about a change.

As it should be (0.00 / 0)


It's over at http://ramabahama.net ... only it's still under construction (but so is the rest of my life)

[ Parent ]
Take me to my leaders: (4.00 / 1)
The only view of Vermont that Dubie could possibly prove, is what this state looks like from several thousand feet in the air.

Taken from an email that popped into my in-box this morning, signed by Peter, Doug and Deb:

"With the unofficial results showing Peter winning by 197 votes, we all agree that he should continue to campaign as the presumptive nominee.  We've also agreed to campaign together while the recount takes place.  Our vision for Vermont is dramatically different than Brian Dubie's and as this process unfolds, it is critical that Vermonters understand the contrast between Brian's vision and our own."



Nicely expressed, Julie. (4.00 / 1)
I was pleased this morning to see a joint e-mail from all three candidates (Doug, Peter and Deb) in my inbox, essentially saying that they share a single vision and have agreed to campaign together until the recount is finalized.  If they can embrace the idea of being a single united candidate in the short-run, we certainly should as well.

As it has been rightly observed in discussion on this site, Brian Dubie will be presented with a dilemna during the period of the recount.  He will either lose more time in defining himself while remaining the target of a three-headed hydra of opposition who will define him in spite of  himself; or he will finally be drawn out specifically on the issues, where we know he has no substance.  For Dubie to go on the attack against Peter Shumlin, while the rest of Vermont awaits an outcome, would come across as oddly surgical and presumptuous.


Did Anyone See the Free Press Today? (0.00 / 0)
http://bit.ly/bdB9e7

The Auditor's race took 6 weeks to complete.  Yes I know that far less people voted in the primary, but it still makes one seriously question Doug's statement that he was hopeful that the process could be completed in a week.  

Which brings me to my next point, this is a primary, there is still an election going on.  One that is going to be over in approximately 9 weeks.  I hope that those who are supporting a recount, keep an open mind if it takes more then 1-2 weeks.  Any delay is detrimental, one that takes more then 2 weeks could very well be fatal.  

As a side note look at what Tom told the Free Press -

"Salmon said he doesn't think a recount will hurt the Democrats in the governor's race, presuming the recount takes fewer than the six weeks his took, and presuming Democrats continue to work on their campaign strategy in the meantime."

That speaks volumes in respect to the fact that the Republicans are relishing this extra time that Dubie does not have to face a debate.

I could not agree more with FXF's thoughts.  I also agree with reelvermonter in that this is a political and psychological decision as much as one of mathematics.  With that said, politically the choice is clear, the quicker a clear candidate emerges for the Ds, the better chance we have.  Psychologically . . . well that is tougher, suffice to say, I hope that everyone agrees that Pete, Doug or Deb will be a hundred times better then Dubie as governor.  

Pete happened to win the election, now it is time to support him before time runs out.

Best,
Ed


What comes next ... well (4.00 / 2)
All y'all with a Racine bumper sticker should add a Shumlin sticker (that's what I'm doing). Those with a Shumlin sticker should add a Racine. We're all in this together you know.


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