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"...immediately and most graciously declined our commencement invitation..."

by: JulieWaters

Wed Feb 04, 2009 at 04:59:33 AM EST


And yet...

Ben Stein described the brouhaha over his selection as commencement speaker at the University of Vermont as "*laughable*" on Tuesday called the whole episode "*pathetic*."

So much for "graciously."

In a phone call to the Free Press on Tuesday, Stein said that describing his views as "antithetical to scientific inquiry" was "a wildly unfair characterization." He said he was by no means "anti-science," as some of his critics have described him.

Anyone who follows Scientific American's 60-second science, knows better.  It quotes Stein from the film "expelled" as quoting Darwin:

"With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated. We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination. We build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the sick. Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. Hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed."

Scientific American, however, continues the Darwin quote, completing it in full:

"The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, even at the urging of hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with an overwhelming present evil."

Back to Stein from the Free Press:

"Mr. Stein has also expressed opinions on subjects unrelated to economics, most notably with respect to evolutionary theory, intelligent design, and the role of science in the Holocaust," Fogel said in a statement to the UVM community Monday. "Those views are highly controversial, to say the least."

Stein called the university's response to the furor "chicken sh**, and you can quote me on that."

As for the commencement speech, he said, "I didn't really want to do it in the first place."

I'd say this is win-win.

JulieWaters :: "...immediately and most graciously declined our commencement invitation..."
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Nixon's speech writer (4.00 / 1)
Wow "Chickenshit'........."I didn't really want to do it anyway " You can really see how he got to be a speech writer for Nixon .He captures that certain Nixonian spirit so well with his words.  

Maybe it was Nixon... (4.00 / 3)
...capturing Ben Stein's spirit when he spoke :)

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Or........ (4.00 / 1)
maybe his style evolved,as evidently no intelligence was allowed.

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Can You Say "Sour Grapes"? (4.00 / 1)
I knew you could.

What a crybaby!

Beware the Everyday Brutality of the Averted Gaze


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Ben Stein's support for science (4.00 / 3)
Here's what Ben Stein says about science:

   In an interview with the Trinity Broadcasting Network,

Ben Stein said the following amazing thing in an interview with Paul Crouch, Jr.

       Stein: When we just saw that man, I think it was Mr. Myers [i.e. biologist P.Z. Myers], talking about how great scientists were, I was thinking to myself the last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed ... that was horrifying beyond words, and that's where science - in my opinion, this is just an opinion - that's where science leads you.

       Crouch: That's right.

       Stein: ...Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people.

       Crouch: Good word, good word.

http://belowthebeltway.com/200...


Sweet Jesus... (4.00 / 2)

... how can he believe his own BS? That logic is so ludicrous standing on its head.

I'd say GMD and Rational Resistance got the job done. Stein's gone. Adios "Bueller."


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I think an email from Richard Dawkins... (4.00 / 3)
...had a little to do with it ;)

undercaffeinated

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Holy ****! (4.00 / 1)
Wow, talk about revisionist history.

The Kinder, Kirche, Küche (children, church, kitchen) doctrine's role has been cleansed right out of Stein's "analysis," as has the entirety of the racist nationalist anti-immigration insanity.

This guy's a piece of work. Thank goodness good people spoke out against not only inviting him to spread his message of hate, ignorance, and intolerance; but against awarding him for it with an honorary degree.

Talk about cheapening the meaning of the degree and lessening the institution ...

Beware the Everyday Brutality of the Averted Gaze


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Methinks... (4.00 / 1)
...the next Cornell reunion might contain an awkward moment.  

PZ is on it (4.00 / 1)
I sent this to PZ at Pharyngula this AM, he's on it:
I recommend that we make it a big issue at every university where he speaks. The man who said flatly that "science leads you to killing people" should not be honored at any university.

Well, OK, he would fit right in at Liberty University and such places as that. But no real university.



You can read more of JD Ryan at five before chaos. But why would you want to?

Please don't... (0.00 / 0)
...make Stein a "big issue" in any way. He's a marginal player at best, on his own; any importance he gains will only be in proportion to the voices raised against him -- and will be at the expense of those who do. Any university that features him as a speaker gets what it deserves: at the least, a hit to its credibility, along with a fatuous "debate" over his "controversial" views.

Making a fuss over Stein is a waste of time that only gives him what he wants -- a notoriety he couldn't achieve on his own. The real culprit here is Fogel, who needs to spend more quality time on planet earth.


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