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WCAX Poll: Big Trouble for Douglas (and Douglas's damage control, with a little help from WCAX)

by: odum

Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 10:31:35 AM EDT


Okay, okay... sheesh, I figured everybody'd be all over this poll. Guess it's up to me (for the record, over the last 24 hours, I have finished this post twice only to have the app crash on me and lose all my work... ARRRRG!!)

No two ways about it: the recent WCAX gubernatorial poll is huge. Here are Jim Douglas's re-elect numbers:

42 percent said they'd vote to re-elect Jim Douglas.

33 percent said they'd replace him.

25 percent said they were not sure.

Roper & company are trying to be blase about it, but this is a dramatic sea change. At this point in the last two cycles, Douglas's re-elect numbers were in the 60's. What's more ominous for the GOP is the significance of that number, which they no doubt recognize: 42%. It's roughly the mean, historical, hardcore GOP voting block that their statewides can depend on cycle after cycle. That's what he's down to, in terms of firm support.

To prop up his undefeatable image, Douglas has countered the bad news by touting the alternate job-approval poll

16% percent of Vermonters say Governor Douglas is doing an excellent job. 38% a good job, with only 5% of people not sure how he's doing.

But when you put these numbers together, you've got a clear picture; the "nice guy" Douglas image is still intact, but moderates and independents are no longer confident that he's the right man for the job. It's probably not helping him that he's been using his so-called "listening tour" to TELL voters (through the media) what's important to them, rather than - y'know - listening. That only widens the perception that he's out-of-touch.

And if you think they're not scared, consider this: The original title of the WCAX web piece on the poll was  "Questionable fourth term for Douglas." If you'll notice, it now reads "2008 Governor's Race Starts To Shape Up". The station reportedly responded to a reader's question about the change, saying they had received "internal and external complaints" about the original headline.

Now come on. Do you think if you or I had complaints about the message sent by a news headline that the Douglas communication offi- er, I mean WCAX - would give us the time of day? No freaking way. That was political damage control, pure and simple.

This race is winnable - and they know it.
odum :: WCAX Poll: Big Trouble for Douglas (and Douglas's damage control, with a little help from WCAX)

Also of interest in the poll were the numbers for other potential contenders. The Dems who've made it clear they're not interested predictable polled in the crapper (and Campbell and Galbraith were not included). Among the two remaining names who actually are considered possible contenders: 

Of the eight choices, Democrat Matt Dunne and Progressive Anthony Pollina were the only ones with more than 10 percent -- Dunne with 22 percent, Pollina with 12 percent.

Interesting.

The selling point of a Pollina candidacy from his supporters is largely that his name recognition and grassroots support start him off with the strongest base and make him the most credible alternative, but Dunne starts off at almost double his numbers.

Which means, once again, all eyes are going to be on Dunne. If he has been leaning away from a run for the top job, prefering for round 2 against Dubie, he's got to be reconsidering the question. And those pushing for a Dunne/Pollina ticket, might want to consider the reciprocal.

The game's afoot!

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It's up to the Democrats now (3.00 / 1)
If a good, solid, Democrat runs a good campaign against Douglas, even if it's not a win, that's the Democrat who's going to lead the fold the next time around.  I mean someone who is solid, issue-oriented, and charismatic.  Having finally met the guy, I'm fairly certain I mean Doug Racine.

juliewaters.com

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JO, thanks for writing about this. Yes, very interesting...

Dunne looks surprisingly strong, doesn't he? I do agree with Julie though (a frequent occurance these days) that Racine is the best candidate, and the best chance to win, although the poll did change my perception of Matt's chances.

Julie, did you get any scoops on Racine's interest in running?

And I'm wondering, when will the eventual Dem candidates put out their notice to GMD'rs that they are ready for us to come help them formulate their campaigns? I mean, geez... we've been warming up for months, haven't we?!

Will these numbers change the dynamic on the race? With this seeming to show an opening this cycle, won't candidates start to worry that if they DON'T run and another Dem wins, they will have to wait 6-8 years for another shot? Wouldn't a big primary be great!


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Racine doesn't seem to be seriously considering it... (3.00 / 1)
...he made a comment about how John had suggested him on GMD and no one bit, so I suspect that if enough people showed some interest, we could get him a lot more interested.

juliewaters.com

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Where's the Fire? (0.00 / 0)
I remember when Doug Racine ran in 2002, when it was an open race between him and Jim Does-less. Doug Racine is a nice guy, steady, not flamboyant, not a loudmouth, few negatives, has integrity in spades, I liked him then and nothing about that has changed ...

So why didn't he win???

No flash. No fire. Nothing to excite the electorate. I think Governor Does-less got elected because people felt like they'd had a Democrat in the Governor's Office long enough (along with some leftover resentment over both civil unions and school funding).

[And that, btw, is what Ross Sneyd at VPR Friday noon (the link is to the podcast, the analysis comes more than half an hour into the broadcast) suggested is happening with the Does-less numbers in this poll: governor fatigue, aka the "old shoe" syndrome.]

I'm not suggesting that flash wins over substance, but substance with some fire behind it would for sure play better. And I think the person with both those qualities is Matt Dunne.

NanuqFC
In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the TRUTH is a Revolutionary Act. -- George Orwell


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So why didn't he win??? (0.00 / 0)
He came very close. Close enough that a different election could've done it. There were a lot of small problems with the Racine campaign that added up to a loss of more votes than they could handle. Largely, the lack of an effective response to the whole flip-flopper thing. Remember - at the time, "going negative" was supposedly not "the Vermont way," so Douglas got a free ride in doing so. I guarantee you Tom Hughes (now DFA Director) would do things differently if he had it all to do over.

But then there was the Con Hogan factor. It can be demonstrated anecdotally as well as statistically with very little doubt, that Hogan pulled votes almost exclusively from Racine. The GOP held lock step.

I think Matt Dunne would be great, but statistically/numerically, I still think Doug would give Douglas the best run out of the gate. It goes against the insider conventional wisdom which held that Racine was a problematic candidate because of his style - but that fact is, he won repeatedly at the statewide level. Dunne has yet to.

undercaffeinated


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oh and I forgot... (1.00 / 1)
I really do like Dunne, too.  I think either of them would make a great candidate and having a democratic primary in the governor's race would generate some serious interest in it.

juliewaters.com

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look at the numbers (0.00 / 0)
After reading the Burlington Free Press today and looking at Douglas numbers in the WCAX poll I too think that there is someone that can give Douglas a run for his money.  I also agree that Racine would have a better chance than Dunne (Dunne's numbers are high because he has higher name recongition having run last election...I do not think the poll shows much more than name recognition).

But I still think folks are missing the boat (no surpirse coming from me).  Follow through these numbers for a minute and tell me that someone else can peel away more votes from the "conservative side".  These numbers are from the Freeps story and the Sec. of State website.

1998, Dwyer challenged Dean.  However...in 2000...when many considered Dwyer stronger (due to civil unions and better name recognition), Pollina also ran. 

Here it is broken down:

In 1998, the numbers were Dean - 55.6%, Dwyer - 41.1%, others - 3.3%

In 2000, the numbers were Dean - 50.4%, Dwyer - 37.9% and Pollina - 9.5%, others - 2.2%

The difference is that Dean went down 5.2%, Dwyer went down 3.2% and others went down 1.1% 

In other words...Dean lost 9.3% of his votes, and Dwyer lost 7.8% of her votes...almost equal went to Anthony.

Put another way is that 55% of Anthony's votes came from Dean voters, 34% of Anthony's votes came from Dwyer voters and 11% came from the others.

I believe that this is more clear evidence that Anthony does not only appeal to lefty voters for 85-90% of his votes as many pundits, political scientists and some media think.  While it clearly is not equal...it does show that he would be very strong at peeling votes away from the "conservative" candidate (in this case Douglas) if/when he runs...thus making him the strongest viable alternative to Douglas.  I do not think that any of the Dem candidates can show that they would have the potential to draw that many away from the Republican.

Just some recent thoughts after watching a great Patriots football game.  I would be curious to know your thoughts about explaining the 1998 to 2000 vote numbers.

I hope you had a great weekend :)

Dave Zuckerman

P.S. remember...the idea is to have the best chance of beating does-less, regardless of what party we are all from.


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