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Let Me Rephrase That...Another Take On H.520

by: goDLC

Wed Jun 27, 2007 at 20:23:24 PM EDT


( - promoted by Jack McCullough)

From the Barre Montpelier Times Argus

June 27, 2007

...highs yesterday in the region were around 90 degrees, with 91 recorded in Montpelier...

Unfortunately, the arrival of hot summer weather also has brought in some unhealthy air.

... the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency issued a warning Tuesday advising that unhealthy ozone levels and air quality across New England can aggravate asthma and other lung diseases, and make people more susceptible to respiratory infection and other breathing problems.

Adults with respiratory problems and children are especially vulnerable.

DAMN- Just think of what the H.520 Headline could have been....

From The Paper In My Mind

MONTPELIER, VT-- Senate Majority Leader Peter Shumlin and Speaker of the House Gaye Symington braved near record high temperatures and an EPA health warning to castigate Governor Douglas for his obstruction of The Energy Bill.

"On a day when our children, who should be swimming, are warned to stay indoors, we call upon the Governor to recognize that we have a big problem" said Shumlin as he stood under the blazing summer sun.

"Because protecting a tax break for big business is more important to Governor Douglas", added Symington, "I am disappointed to say that we are probably not going to be able to pass a global warming bill this year."

"But we're sure as hell going try", growled Shumlin...

But, as far as I know, as of 8:23 PM tonight, that didn't happen.

goDLC :: Let Me Rephrase That...Another Take On H.520
I've been gently taken to task by some in my assertion that the Democrats "Caved" on H.520 by offering to surrender the funding mechanism (a perfectly equitable tax on Vermont Yankee) for H.520- the Energy Bill.

So I will rephrase my point...

DEMOCRATS MADE A STUPID STRATEGIC DECISION AND LOST GREAT OPPORTUNITY

Now, we probably won't only not get an energy bill, but the Governor won't get tagged with the responsibility.

I am very, very, very disappointed.  I'm still a Democrat, but I'm a disappointed one...and I kind of hope they can find away to make it up to me, and, more importantly, to themselves, soon.

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this argument makes more sense to me (0.00 / 0)
We'll have to see how it plays out.

Nullius perfectus est

I hope so... (0.00 / 0)

Because it's as close to your argument as I could come! :)

(Perhaps, you may have noticed that I changed Gaye Symington's "saddened" line to "disappointed" this morning....just for you, John.)

-AB



---The victors called the revolution a triumph of liberty; but now and then liberty, in the slogans of the strong, means freedom from restraint in the exploitation of the weak.

--Will Durant, "The Story of Civilization: Caesar & Christ"


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Plays out? (0.00 / 0)

What's to play out? They've taken the VY tax off the table, he won't even sit down to talk to them, so what are they going to do? It doesn't seem feasible that they could go back, keep the VY tax, and sell it to the reluctant membership based on Douglas's unwillingness to talk to them.

 There are grassroots Democrats all across the state who are pissed off at leadership, and this isn't going to help.



whats to play out... (0.00 / 0)

...is whether or not they cave on the actual content of the bill.

I'm beginning to think that the biggest flaw of the VY tax proposal is that this funding source itself has become more important to many on the left than the actual global warming-fighting provisions in the law itself. The support for renewables, the expansion of Efficiency Vermont - the real revolutionary stuff - seems to be secondary at best to a lot of folks, who were really amped over that VY tax.



Nullius perfectus est

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How does this work? (0.00 / 0)
I'd like to, John, but I don't see it playing out the way you and I would both like it to. Meanwhile, every Democrat I talk to about this is pissed, and every Prog is saying, "You see, this is what the Democrats are like." It doesn't look like a winning strategy to me.

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I think that's my point, Jack... (0.00 / 0)

In my original post, I alluded to Limbaugh's "carrying water" comments...

...I am usually more than willing to carry water for Democratic Leadership...I trust Leahy, Sanders, and Welch to do the best they can to stop Bush...I argued against second guessing them on the impeachment issue....

....I supported Gaye Symington's decision not to second guess them, too.

I am, in other words, a pretty loyal democrat ... when they lost someone like me, I humbly assert, it was a sign that they had REALLY cut too close to the bone.



---The victors called the revolution a triumph of liberty; but now and then liberty, in the slogans of the strong, means freedom from restraint in the exploitation of the weak.

--Will Durant, "The Story of Civilization: Caesar & Christ"


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Well,,, (0.00 / 0)
Maybe it's a learning moment for you, too, and I say this with the best intentions... loyalty to a party usually involves you getting taken advantage of and let down. It's loyalty to ideas that get you somewhere. Having a "D' behind one's name shouldn't be enough. I have had no confidence in Symington from day one. I've got mixed feelings on our delegation, but I'm certainly not "loyal" to them. They have done nothing to deserve my "loyalty".

You can read JD's latest at five before chaos. Politics. Godlessness. Music. Films of questionable quality. It's all there, folks.

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Not to get to far into a side issue... (0.00 / 0)

...but I have to say that party discipline has it's place.  Ideals are the stars by which we steer, but we must also do things of practical, earthly value...and to do that, we must all pull on the same rope in the same direction from time to time.  This is why I give our congressional delegation the benefit of the doubt.  I am "loyal" in the sense that I am going to work really hard to accept the direction chosen by the elected leaders of the time until such time as I absolutely cannot, in good faith, compromise my own opinions any further...

As far I am concerned, someone with a D behind their name gets the benefit of the doubt until they prove they are not worthy (can we say Lieberman?) of trust.  Someone with an "R" is not trusted until they do something to earn it. 

 



---The victors called the revolution a triumph of liberty; but now and then liberty, in the slogans of the strong, means freedom from restraint in the exploitation of the weak.

--Will Durant, "The Story of Civilization: Caesar & Christ"


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and I've been sayin (0.00 / 0)

since my first post on it that I dont think its good strategy.

But thats different from saying they just gave up on the bill, when - again - the bill is intact. The problem is that they've set themselves up for failure when it counts.



Nullius perfectus est

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Yes, you have.... (0.00 / 0)

In all fairness, you have done.  But I think, as you write in your new diary on the subject, you might have missed the true magnitude of the blunder.

Again...I've been a bit bitter on this, but I mean none of it personally. 

 



---The victors called the revolution a triumph of liberty; but now and then liberty, in the slogans of the strong, means freedom from restraint in the exploitation of the weak.

--Will Durant, "The Story of Civilization: Caesar & Christ"


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I'm willing to see where this goes (0.00 / 0)
I really want this energy bill to pass, and while I like the idea of taxing Vermont Yankee fairly to get it funded, I'm not nearly as concerned about that as I am about the energy bill itself.

The fact is, right now, there doesn't seem to be enough support for the bill as is to get it passed, and there were several people who voted against it citing the VY tax as their only concern.  This might actually shift things enough to override a veto. 

Or it might not.  We'll know soon enough. 

I don't have a problem with the Democratic leadership making one concession if they're sure they can get it passed with that concession, and I hope they -can- get it passed like this. This seems to be more a strategic PR mistake on their part than a policy error and I'm a little tired of focusing so much on the PR aspect of everything.

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Ahhh... (0.00 / 0)
I feel less like a lone voice in the wilderness. Was beginning to think I must be delusional.

Nullius perfectus est

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This explains a few things... (0.00 / 0)
I'm probably just a figment of Odum's imagination.

--possibly julie

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Great speech (0.00 / 0)
You should be writing for Gaye and Shummy.

lost oppertunity (3.00 / 1)

How much will Douglas have to pay the Democratic Party to keep these clowns in positions of "leadership"? They certainly make it EASY FOR HIM TO ROLL OVER THEM.

yODA




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